Actually for the record I do get what you're saying Kat, and I get what Bec is saying too, you both make good points. I have my own opinion on the matter as well, but I'm loathe to share it because I don't want to be challenged about it. I don't do debates well, especially when I'm stressed, hence why I said I was bowing out. Ok now I am really bowing out, before I put my foot in my mouth. :p