Wow are you guys a bunch of hard asses.. LOL just kidding.

I find it interesting that things like disassociation are being reckoned as an unacceptable behavior.

What is do nothing? How do the carers define that? Is do nothing not doing what you think? Is do nothing working on symptoms alone? Is do nothing something else?

So the line being drawn here is the carer is getting hurt. What about baby steps to learning new ways to cope?

Denial is also a stage. It's a step we all have to take at some point. Should sufferers be tossed on their ass simply for being in this stage?

Justifiable is not being asked here as a question to dismiss responsibility of the sufferer or give excuses to the sufferer, it's asking where and how the lines are drawn with each symptom from a CARER's perspective. We sufferers have a completely different viewpoint on this (and yes your input is appreciated) however us Sufferers need to openly discuss this to discover our limitations and viewpoints also.

Please remember that I am both an active carer and sufferer.

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