Thank you Nicolette, much appreciated for your thoughts as well. Very interesting to hear your personal experience regarding 2 situations which turned out differently and how you felt. Believe were it me, would feel better sticking up for myself too. More painful to let it slide. Makes perfect sense.

Believe I have an idea how Evie feels about us being involved, though she hasn't told us yet. However. Worry sometimes that she will agree with us - especially myself - just because she loves us. Sometimes my daughter is less than forthcoming with us and more apt to want to please. So. I did wish for the responses of others in any event. Good to hear all sides.

I'm with you Nicolette. Best tackle problems head on. Confront abusers and so forth. However. Strength is needed to do so, also support. And. As you also say, we don't have PTSD. Who knows how badly one feels with PTSD. Might be too much to handle. I don't pretend to know, that's for sure.

Much appreciated once more. Very good thoughts.

Jim.