Repressed Memory - Page 2

becvan · #11 01-11-2006, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nam

When I was abused, I had one sister that was abused with me and my mother. My mother will not tell me anything partly because of her culture and partly because of the language barrier. My sister however does not remember a thing. NONE of my memories have been validated by an outside source. Some of my memories have credibility in that I can describe the details and how my body was. The view that I have is at the proper height for a four year old, etc. I remember what I was looking at during some of the traumas. I can describe the smell. It's very weird and surreal. Now, Bec pointed out that feelings is feelings no matter if the memories are true. I had to come to terms with this and it's easier said than done, let me tell you. What she says is true though. If you have a therapist, talk and spill it. Even your dreams. Write it down. Have a journal and write all your terrors in it. You may see a pattern or a general theme.

Thank you Nam. This is another great way of Vailidating when there are no possible outside sources! (I could not for the life if me think of how to term this earlier! Thank you! Well put) This is such a tough aspect. I still work through new memories often (I erased 14 years of my life and now get little flahses of it.) Mine start with an emotional flash, them move to snap shot visuals. No movie like stuff and it's all third person. Please talk about it with someone. You can also privately pm me. As can you Nam. I really feel the most important aspect of this is working through our feelings and having our feelings validated. Otherwise we end up in more pain from it.

Bec

Nam · #12 01-11-2006, 05:16 PM

Hey, for those of you that want more information about repressed memories, validation and the controversy surrounding false memory syndrome, visit this site:
http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Tau...mem/index.html

And here is a website that helped me tremendously:
http://www.jimhopper.com/memory/

cookie · #13 01-11-2006, 07:34 PM

i looked at some of this Nam, but i can't really make a lot out of it. is there a way to tell if your memories are true or false, when you can only document some of it? i would love to find out that my memories are false, i guess that would make me crazy, but it would be a lot less painful.

becvan · #14 02-11-2006, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by cookie

i looked at some of this Nam, but i can't really make a lot out of it. is there a way to tell if your memories are true or false, when you can only document some of it? i would love to find out that my memories are false, i guess that would make me crazy, but it would be a lot less painful.

99% of us with this issue, can only document some of it!! As I pointed out, this is a process, that could take a lifetime. Let me make this very very clear. Even if you do have false memories (and the chances of all of them being false is pretty slim) that DOES NOT MAKE YOU CRAZY. Now, Cookie, reread that last sentence until you truly believe it.

I will explain how we could have false memories as best as I can here. Say you remember going to the dentist at a young age. The dentist was mean and you didn't like him. A few years later you read a book about a girl being molested by a dentist. A few years after that, when recalling your visit to the mean dentist you recall that he rubbed up against you. (this is a really dramatic example...) Now, what happens here is you remember the event but have different information introduced (the book) and so your mind adds this "new" information to the old memory. This does not make a person crazy. Our minds do not store information in some perfectly organized manner. Our brain has to sort through more information in a day, than is possible to remember. And no, we do not store everything!! That is a myth. What we remember, how we store our memories, associate our memories, and our recall of memories is not a perfect process. Add in trauma and it can become a real mess.

There is no easy, quick fix here. Chances of all your memories being false is pretty slim. I know that your memories are painful, and I'm sorry. You will still have to work through your emotions, whether or not you can document your memories or not.

Also, if you remember on your own, you are not just crazy and making it up. The caution is more for therapy induced memories and memories before the age of 3, as these are the most unreliable memories of all.

I realize this thread has thrown many people here for a loop. Some will only hear the message of "made it up" some will tell themselves it proves they are "crazy" etc.. The message you tell yourself, will help you determine what you need to work on, within yourself. This information is meant to help people understand the process, how it works, give information and ANALIZE thier memories. Not beat themselves up. Have some faith in yourselves. Having this information is very important if you have someone in your life denying that anything every happened (like me, like many others.) How do we trust our memories when being attacked about them? This is how. Use this process, learn and QUIT beating yourself up for a very natural and normal process!!!

Bec

Nam · #15 02-11-2006, 02:05 AM

Cookie, my husband once asked me this. "Do you think it's scarier to think that the memories are true or the memories are fake?" I was very comfortable thinking I was "crazy" than if it was true. Even without validation, I've come to believe that the main parts of my memories are true. The two sites that I have linked up in my previous post were scientific proof that repressed memories are real and can and in majority of cases are collaborated with outside evidence. I really needed this scientific explanation. I didn't think I could rely on my gut feeling. From what I read, since I had my memories while I was NOT in therapy, there was no way I could have been suggested I was abused.

For some time, I thought there was no way that that could have happened to me. I don't remember for crying out loud! My sister didn't remember, and I considered myself (at that point), fairly sane! (hahahahaha) All this thinking is called denial. I denied it for some time because it HURT to think it was real. As more memories came, there was no denying that something was going on in my brain. This is some info I thought was good from the jim hopper website.

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# People who read this web page sometimes have questions like these:

* "How can I recover (more) memories?"

* "How can I find someone to hypnotize me?"

* "How can I know for sure whether I was abused?"

# It is natural that people ask these questions, particularly given how the popular media present these issues.

# It is more helpful, however, to step back and look at the bigger picture. . .

* "Why do I want to recover (more) memories?"

* "What do I hope that recovering memories will do for me?"

* "Why do I wish I could know for sure whether I was abused?"

* "What problems and suffering in my life now do I believe will be changed by remembering abuse?"

# These are extremely important questions. They go to the heart of who you are, your deepest hopes, and your current struggles. There are no right or wrong answers. The point is that, first, you need to better understand your current problems, and to clarify what you want to achieve for yourself and your life. This must come before learning about whether recovering memories might be helpful.

# Who knows, maybe recovering memories could help you. But this is not the key to healing the effects of child abuse and having a better life, and what you hope to gain by recovering memories is usually better achieved in other ways.

# Remembering how you got through painful experiences, with whatever strengths and resources you had at the time, is usually much more helpful than remembering details of abuse. This is understood by the experts on these issues, and by any therapist qualified to help people heal from painful childhoods.

# Healing from the effects of abuse is a process that takes place in stages, and the point of the first stage is not about recovering memories, or even focusing on the contents of the memories you already have.

# The first stage of healing and recovery, and any helpful therapy or counseling, is about:

* Getting a "road map" of the healing process, including the possible stages and the most helpful approaches to memories at each stage.

* Establishing safety and stability in your body, your relationships, and the rest of your life.

* Tapping into and developing your own inner strengths and all the resources potentially available to you.

* Learning how to regulate your emotions and manage symptoms that make you feel unsafe or cause suffering.

* Developing and strengthening skills for managing painful memories and other experiences, and minimizing unhelpful responses.

# Of course, everything is not always so perfectly ordered and sequential. During the first stage of recovery, it may be necessary to discuss the contents of memories that are disrupting your life. This may be required, for example, to help you manage them, or to understand why you find it is hard to care for yourself (the abuser communicated that you were unworthy of care or love, etc.). However, in this case addressing memories is not the focus of therapy, but a means to achieving safety, stability and greater ability to take care of yourself.

# Therefore, here are two more important questions that you need to answer, which will require more research and, in most cases, consultation with a qualified professional:

* "What must I learn before discussing or "working through" abuse memories could help to improve my current life and help me achieve future goals?"

* "What skills and capacities must I develop to manage the memories I already have - so that I can make sense of them or address any new memories that might emerge?"

# Only after establishing a solid foundation of understanding, self-regulation skills, and safety and stability in one's life should one decide - freely, thoughtfully, mindful of the dangers - whether or not to focus on memories of abuse in order to, for example, place them into a larger understanding of one's life and identity. In fact, once such a foundation is in place, some people realize that thinking and talking about their abuse memories is not necessary to achieve their life goals, and that those memories are no longer of interest to them. (And sometimes people need to educate their therapists about this!)

# For those who do need to focus on abuse memories, or decide that this could be helpful, making sense of what happened and how it fits into one's life story is part of a second stage of recovery, sometimes referred to as "remembrance and mourning." ("Mourning" refers to working through grief about the remembered abuse and its negative effects, grief about good experiences one didn't have and, for some, grief about not even being able to remember important experiences. However, this may not be necessary either.)

# It is true that, for some people, focusing on the contents of abuse memories, including recovered memories, can be part of a second stage of the healing process. (Again, for some people this may not be necessary and may not be something they are interested in doing.) For those who do choose to explore their memories, several important cautionary points should be kept in mind:

* If abuse memories do not emerge spontaneously, this may be due to healthy and protective psychological "defense mechanisms."

* "Digging for memories," or trying to force abuse memories to emerge, is almost never a helpful approach, and can cause a great deal of harm. This can cause increased distress and confusion, and behaviors that are harmful to oneself and important relationships (including false memories and mistaken accusations).

* Attempting to recover abuse memories using hypnosis or other mind-altering techniques is almost never a good idea. The risk of creating very distorted or outright false memories is increased by such methods.

* Even focusing on abuse memories one already has, without proper preparation, will almost always increase distress, instability and self-destructiveness.

* Though new memories may emerge during the course of therapy, and managing and making sense of such memories can be part of the healing process, recovering memories of abuse should never be the focus, or even a goal, of therapy or counseling.

# Finally, here are a few more things to consider:

* No matter how much abuse someone has experienced, or how complete her or his memories are, there is always much more to that person than "abuse victim" or "abuse survivor."

* There is a danger of constructing a personal identity, or reinforcing a sense of self, that is too identified with, too constricted by, and too focused on being a "victim" or "survivor."

* Intellectual learning, therapy, and many other activities and relationships can help people heal from harmful effects of child abuse, including help people deal with troubling memories. But if improving of one's current life and creating a better future take a back seat to exploring the past, healing will be slowed down, and may even be prevented.