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Old 06-04-2008, 06:00 AM
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Just to also add that just because you may not be "all better" in 2-3 months doesn't mean you won't be "better off" than you are now. It may make a real difference - and you may be better able to function or, temporary in a more difficult place (this happens too) that will make things better. I'm on my second go at therapy, and while my first 3 months didn't make everything better, it did help and I did get a few months of functioning well out of it.
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Old 06-04-2008, 08:21 AM
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You described to me that you actually are in denial over how much pain you have to endure in order to get better. You said it yourself, you tried CBT / exposure therapy before and it made your symptoms worse. Hello.... what did you expect? Do you honestly expect to just heal your trauma, face your past fears and pain without consequence? This is the typical thinking of people who want something they are not actually and honestly willing to chase. Sorry, but you said it, I am just answering honestly.

What bec said.... your setting yourself up with a timeline. You cannot choose what you work on and for how long, it doesn't work that way.

Here is a hard fact for you Nic.... You must go down before you will come up when facing trauma therapy.

If you think you can resolve your trauma with PTSD and not endure months of serious illness, your just joking yourself and you may as well stop stuffing yourself about now, and likely that of therapists also. They will take your money though, have no doubt.

I think you need to stop here right now Nic, you need to sink your head into the PTSD information forum near the bottom of the homepage, and you need to read some of the threads pertaining to this subject which already exist there. That information hasn't changed, nor have the methods or facts. You need to read what your getting into. You need to read the information in the trauma diaries forum, the three or four threads posted in that forum before entering the specific trauma diary forums, as that contains the facts about healing trauma.

What your asking is not realistic, actually it is totally ridiculous to be perfectly honest. Opening up dealing with trauma is the same as opening Pandoras Box.... you must deal with it all once opened, because your brain WILL NOT give you any other option actually.... it will be taken out of your control with the exception of working through all your lifes trauma.
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Old 06-04-2008, 08:30 AM
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You can't heal PTSD in 3 months.

You can heal some, if you work hard, but this is a very long process, years and years of work, daily and weekly, to heal. This is the hardest thing I have ever done. It will take the rest of my life.
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Old 06-04-2008, 08:42 AM
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Nic... bare minimum time frames are something like this:

- 6 months intense trauma therapy working through trauma
- 6 months further of just settling and coming to terms with emotion
- 2-3 years further learning how to manage PTSD through exposure and doing activities.

People keep wondering why I say one must be pushed hard to heal PTSD.... I wasn't kidding. You CANNOT have your hand held and heal PTSD, it won't work ever. You must push yourself, otherwise you will not heal correctly and will forever be battling constant issues. You must have someone who pushes you beyond any comfort levels you have, push you to find boundaries you never knew existed, then to show empathy as and when required. You must be allowed to rest at specific points, you must then be pushed hard again and again. There is a method to trauma therapy, very few therapists or physicians will do it because they are all afraid of legal consequences if something goes wrong. Facts are though.... without this method you will never get through and learn how to manage PTSD.

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Old 06-04-2008, 09:33 AM
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I know that exposure therapy will be difficult. I've been through regular therapy before, and my therapists/doctors were afraid that exposure therapy would be too much for me. I also know how difficult things were a couple of months ago when I did just 2 sessions that combined just a few minutes with exposure therapy with taking medication. This is why I'm hesitant to do this. BUT, there are websites that say that CBT is done in 10-20 sessions. (I think Cognative Therapy Associates is one.)

Also, I told my current doctor (who's a PTSD specialist and researcher) on Thursday that if I'm going to try the CBT/exposure, I want to do the intense part during the summer so that I will be able to function when school starts up again. He didn't tell me this wasn't possible or anything, and I think he would have if he felt my expectations were too unrealistic.
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CBT sessions is a basis for getting the foundation of information across to the person, that is all it is. It actually IS NOT a basis that after x amount of sessions you will be all good, because that would be a blatant lie on any counsellors behalf. You cannot just open up your worse trauma through summer and think it will all be ok for you to start school again, trust me on this. You decision... but you can tell yourself the "I told you so" part on you finding this out for yourself.

This forum is about people learning from others experience, all of which replicates itself here. Not one person have I ever read here said they have achieved such a thing, ever. You will not be the first either, trust me. It cannot be done because your brain does not work that way. I say trust your therapist if you want and do this, then you might want to trust me after you find out the hard way.

All I can say to you Nic, is that you have been warned. I am not going to argue this point with you, you're an adult and will learn for yourself. I honestly get sick of telling people how things will go, they disagree, then they find out exactly what I or another here told them to begin with. Go do it I say, go learn, and just accept your own decisions when it all falls down upon you by thinking such or believing such can be achieved with trauma.

Look forward to hearing how this turns out for you.
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Just to also add that just because you may not be "all better" in 2-3 months doesn't mean you won't be "better off" than you are now.
I think this is an excellent point. I did the brunt of my exposure therapy sessions after about six months in therapy. The exposure sessions went on for about three months. It took another 3-6 months to deal with the fallout from them, though (I was finally able to deal with the memories and flashbacks, so they hit me full force). I'm still chipping away at all of it, nearly two years in, but I do think that the exposure sessions and those that followed it were the worst.

I would add also that it was to my benefit that these happened during the school/working year (and not in the summer) because I had work to distract me. We all function differently, though, so that might not be good for you. The summer after I did all that work was rough, because I ruminated and obsessed about the trauma a lot more.
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I made the mistake of thinking 10 cbt sessions and i would be done...I would be healed,,,WRONG. I have now had about 50 but my thinking is totally changed....every thought I now have is countered with a better way to think about things...changing the negative thoughts to positive as much as that is possible. I have been in therapy for i think 4 years and i am doing better...that being said...I have more good days than bad days and even with the crisis i am dealing with in my own personal life, I am dealing with it....one year ago I might have fallen totally apart. Realizing that we can and do learn to live in a different manner. It is a disability so we have to learn to live a totally different way and i know I am...I am still working on processing things as well as learning to deal with every day life and it is exhausting...your brain goes into overdrive and you will feel awful. Take it slow and take breaks or you will become overloaded and make yourself more ill...that is what happened to me. Usually once you start...more things you didn't realize were keeping you stuck are now in the forfront of your brain instead of being buried.....like a pandoras box.....hence my name. I wish you only the best as you continue on with your healing . Take care,
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Just to share my timeline (which is still in progress) - it's been about 2 years since the series of traumatic incidents. I have had symptoms varying in severity since then. About a year ago they got particularly bad. I saw a counsellor for 3 months, then stopped (he left town), then things were okay again for a while, now been seeing a therapist for 5 months and still going. I think every bit has helped in some way, and having a break can also be useful. I don't know when the end point will be, but I do feel I'm getting myself back gradually.

I'm sure everyone's timeline is different.
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Old 08-04-2008, 05:33 PM
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Yes, everyone's timeline is different. Even with just one trauma, the problem here is this. As adults your life is full of little traumas... this is besides PTSD and a known fact. When you have PTSD it manifests every and any little trauma you have had in your life, now it throws it back in your face 10 fold all because of what this disorder does to your brain. The undealt emotion was always present in your brain, problem is now though that PTSD manifest negative emotion and smacks you hard with it. This is what the problem is.

You think you have one trauma, one problem to solve, suddenly when really pushed hard to face and deal with that trauma, all these other smaller traumas come to light because your brain must rid them all now as PTSD HAS manifested them whether you like it or not. You must now heal not only the traumatic occurance that gave you PTSD, but now you must heal EVERY bit of past trauma in your life. This is where every single person falls down... even one trauma by itself often takes 3 - 6 months of time. More doesn't increase that time frame necessarily, as when you take on the worst trauma first you tend to knock out many at once.... just some that don't get tackled at once haunt you for a little longer.

Regardless of the life trauma requiring dealing with, your brain cannot hit trauma realistically, it cannot process the emotion in one week, one day, a specific time. In one session you may learn 10 things and be able to apply them, in 10 sessions you may learn one thing that takes you two months to learn how to apply and work within yourself and daily life. That is trauma therapy 101. Fun stuff, not.

It is the hardest thing you will likely do in your life... it is harder than living the trauma in the first place, so if you use that experience as a gauge, then double it, you may have some idea just how bad its going to get for you. Scary.... YES.... but absolutely worth taking 6 - 12 months of your life off and just work like hell on facing every major aspect of your trauma, so you go down as low as you can go, then you WILL come back up and be a whole lot better for it. Nothing from then on forward will be as bad as the initial trauma therapy blow.

CBT performed correctly will achieve this, EMDR will achieve it, other types of therapy will achieve it; there is no one way.... but the facts remain that when you start becoming ill it is quite normal and you must push forward regardless how crap you feel and want to throw yourself off a building, welcome to trauma therapy is the answer when you feel that way.... get used to it for the next 3 - 6 months of your life.
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