Ah.... that was going to be my second question... are you under weight. Adrenal Burnout Syndrome (ABS)... that one I hadn't heard off. I like the abbreviation for it though... ABS... though if used in conversation, "I have ABS", chances are people are going to say something like... "so what? I have ABS too, what does that have to do with this conversation?" :)

Anyway, back to the point. Ok, so you smack bang between a rock and a hard place then. I think its a matter of biting one or the other, and kicking the shit out of it, ie. suffer the pain and beat PTSD, or suffer PTSD and sort the ABS issue first. Certainly does make dealing with PTSD a whole lot more difficult, because the facts are, dealing with PTSD is dealing with emotions and feelings. You can't heal from trauma and manage PTSD without these things. I think it really is one or the other decision... Is ABS curable?

Yup its curable, but Ive been told it takes between 1 and 5 years to cure it, and most people never make it because they lack the discipline that it takes.

I think I can physically recover within a couple of months in case my life circumstances are supportive of my illness, which they are not, and Im currently making the biggest effort to get things in the right direction in that respect.

I think I have to focus on the physical illness first, and when this is under control then I can tackle the emotional side. It seems that I really have to avoid emotionally difficult situations to save the energy for healing. Thats what Ive been told anyway, but I thought it might be wise to lift pressure off my soul at the same time, which is obviously not really beneficial.

Its difficult enough to care for the right circumstances in which healing is possible....I dont even have the basement yet so to speak. I think once this is done and I have a stable and safe life then healing and dealing will happen by itself. I also think this is the most difficult part when youre impaired, getting the right life situation in which healing is possible.

Getting on disability would be about 50% of that, because then I would at least have the money to make things happen. Right now, I dont even have the money, nor the energy. And much of my energy I use to figure out how to be able to work, but of course thats a dead end because I cannot work, so Im stuck using my energy for things that have no solution.

I dont know, do you guys also have a problem with frustration?
Its like I have this appointment with the pain docs tomorrow, and only calling them up was a major strain, and I know for a fact that when they refuse to help me financially and at least make an effort to get me on disability, then I will be so frustrated that it will drain my energy for at least two other weeks....thats one reason why I always hesitate to ask people for help, because when they turn out to be ignorant, then Im so frustrated that its only again an obstacle to my health.

I mean, its even real....when Im procrastinating then its only because the risk of ending up drained is too high...its not like I can afford frustration and discouragement.

Its easy for people that dont depend on help from the outside to say like...'hey its no big deal', but it is...after all people that have support dont end up frustrated when things that are necessary get smashed...after all they already have all the necessary things, so theyre not dependent on help....Im still pissed at how ignorant most people are that have no ptsd or so...I sometimes even wish it on them so that they see how difficult it is....Ive been facing enough ignorance for a lifetime already...

Well in case I get healthy again then Ill be way stronger than all these stupid bastards....and way smarter....I already am way smarter...all I want is to not need ignorant idiots....like my family for example, and like a thousand others....Ill try and get a substitute.

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The frustration is more anxiety actually... anxious to pickup the phone, being anxious to talk to someone on the other end. This is being stemmed from PTSD, being the anxiety. The frustration would result after the thought, ie. why can't I just pickup the damn phone, or... why can't they just help me. Cause and effect. The difference to not getting frustrated, is accepting and understanding that making a phone call is not to be frustrated about, it is because of your anxiety stemmed from trauma, hence PTSD. Controlling frustration as a consequence to others actions, that is still the same, in that you have to look at the bigger picture, in that because you cannot have your own way now, or your needs are not being met at that instant, what other factors are at play? This person on the end of the phone, is it their job to care? Or is it their job to take information, answer the phone calls and merely pass this information along? Is this person I am talking too the decision maker or an aid to the decision maker? These are all realistic self help questions you can ask and answer for yourself if your logical about it. This stops frustration, and instead helps you look at the bigger picture of what is occuring. Yes, you are suffering, but is it this persons job on the other end of the phone to give you everything you want NOW, or is their job to take information, ask questions, record and pass the information to those who make the decisions? We often get angry at the wrong people, hence we create unwarranted frustration and chaos for ourselves as a result. Their not upset, but we are. Why allow it to be that way?

I don't necessarily think its going to help you at being upset with the world, and I mean those within the world who do not understand what you suffer. It is like a person with cancer, another can understand they have cancer, but unless they have it themselves with the fear of death as a consequence, they can never truly understand the feelings, hence their ignorance to it. To others, they cannot see anything with mental illness, because its in the mind, hence all they can understand is "get over it", and not what is actually occuring. Unless they suffer it, they will never understand.

Its seems that your getting frustrated about societies ignorance to your illness, however; the only person that is affecting is yourself. Its really up to you whether you continue that cycle or not, but I don't personally see it as helping you in any way. Me personally, I would never wish PTSD upon even my worst enemies in life... why would I want someone else to suffer this if they didn't have too?

Healing is about accepting WM, not about being angry at the world for something we cannot change now. We can control ourselves, but we cannot control others or life itself. We can get as angry as we want, but all we do is create a lower level for ourselves, nobody else is being affected. Anger is not an emotion, its an emotional response. If your getting angry at life itself, then you need to start looking deeper to the emotional level of what emotion is causing the anger. Yes, generally frustration is a big one. Frustation being the emotion, anger the emotional response.

Either way for yourself, I feel for you, because not only do you have PTSD, but the problematic issue is the ABS, because to heal from PTSD you must get down to the emotional core, but by doing so you stem the ABS. Tough decisions on your end.... definately!

Well Im not getting frustrated at the wrong persons, and I know myself that the woman I talk to on the phone is most likely only the secretary...but Id get frustrated at the doc for not making an effort to get me on disability...in case he just puts it off out of ignorance....cuz it is indeed in his hands to help me or not. Thats up to him, and if he doesnt help me then I get frustrated at him, and its my perfect right. Its not unwarranted frustration, and even if I got upset at the secretary then it wouldnt even be unwarranted, cuz last time when I had to cancel the appointment because I had a fit of weakness and just couldnt drive there....she basically threw a reproach at me like I should cancel appointments sooner so that they can put a patient in at this time...as if its my problem when she cannot put another patient in my place....that kind of things piss me off, and Im not afraid to tell her that in case she thinks its my responsibility to care for her patients....

Also, its one thing when someone cannot understand what it feels like to be in pain and ptsd, but its another thing when someone denies that the person suffers in the first place....I mean Im frustrated at people basically saying that its a character flaw or even just a lie when you have pain...ya know? To hell with these kinds of people, and I do wish it on them! Theyd even deserve it. I dont have to be a saint, and Im not, and I never want to be.

I mean just saying that frustration is counterproductive is just another invalidation, cuz frustration is productive, after all it defines my boundaries....even the stupid secretary tramples on me in case I dont tell her to get off....I usually dont even get rude, thats how gentle I am, and it would be a perfectly appropriate reaction to get rude....if im just a lifeless container without my own frustrations and anger, then I dont exist anyway....my anger is justified, and its necessary because without it, people just trample on me, which made me end up with ptsd and pain in the first place....just because frustration doesnt get me what I want doesnt mean its unjustified, after all without frustration, I also hardly get what I want, so with frustration I can at least release some tension....

Well its not necessarily a tough decision what to do first and second, because my illness makes the decisions for me....and its like I know how to get on, I only have very limited energy to do that...

WM, don't get me wrong, it's your decisions, as its your life and really all that matters is what makes you happy, not what anyone else thinks. If your happy that frustration is not causing you pain, then only you know that, which is the right decision for you. You know yourself best. People are ignorant to things they don't understand, and society will never change this, regardless how much they are made aware, they will never change. That is a big statement in itself, but factual.

Hello woundedme,

Glad you could join us, and Welcome!

Thanks. I already anticipated you wanted to invalidate my frustrations as being 'irrational' or so...which theyre not.

I have the doc visit today, and Im nervous and detached...i dont expect anything from it except get it over without anxiety, panic, or worse....:drugs:

Hi Wounded,

Quite honestly, I think your just looking for a fight, which you will not get here. You are frustrated at the world, and you decided to take it out here, because your not hearing what you want to hear, what you want to be told. You won't get that here. What you will get is the right way in which to heal PTSD, nothing more, nothing less. It is being shown here time and time again... or proof is in the pudding you could say.

Again, if you want help, or you want to discuss, just say so, but if you just want to argue, then you can feel free to do so with yourself.

The only one that wants a fight is you, anthony.

I didnt take anything out on anyone on the forum, I was even polite and all, and then you load me up with your sht about how I have to feel and that crap...you know what, teach other people how they have to be according to your opinion, but dont take your narrowmindedness out on me dude....


Uh? So when you know it all and the right way, then why are people posting on a forum like this for months to discuss opinions and get support...when the right way is such a clear cut thing to you and the forum in general? When you know it all then why do people still struggle to find solutions? After your patronizing post, and the last rude one, Im sure you know nothing in fact...you only know everything better....noone needs that.

wounded, you are not being fair. please step back, look around and give things a chance if you want help. no one will force you to do anything. please read back over your posts with an open mind and you will see that they have an edge, and politeness is actually scarce there. that said, you are welcome here for help, please don't abuse it.