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17-01-2007, 09:18 PM
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Hi mouse.
You are probably right, although in my line of work it is hard to understand.
Cheers
Scott 
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18-01-2007, 06:30 AM
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Hmmm.
Just trying to understand. How does fighting for Queen and Country reconcile you with the Lord? Is it the feeling that you obeyed your orders, didn't shirk or run away from your duties as an enlisted man? Is it a case of the church's being tied with state, and that's why the minister gave his blessing?
I guess what I'm trying to ask is - personally - how was your conscience as a christian after performing your duties? Do you get what I'm trying to ask? Because I think I just confused myself. :crazy-blu |
18-01-2007, 07:38 AM
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Hi there Tabitha.
No the Church of Scotland is not tied to the State and always has been independant of the state and of the Queen. I did my duties to the best of my abilities and sometimes I bent the rules but I never broke them. I just worked my socks off and became a Platoon Sergeant at 25. And yes I've fired my weapon in anger many times, and I had know beef about that. As that was my job. But it was seeing the horrors in Bosnia and in particular a little girl of 4 was murdered right in front of me by a Croat Sniper as I gave her a bar of Chocolate. And from then that image has lived with me. I started to lose my faith after that. And I haven't been in a church for over 10 years. Nor do I intend to in the future. If their was a god he wouldn't have allowed these horrors to go on.
Thanks for listening to me Tabitha.
Take Care
Scott
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18-01-2007, 12:35 PM
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hi scott
Scott i say that faith is for who ever wishes to follow it. I know myself that how could a "GOD" allow such acts of violence, over and over agian. I have been all over the world and it has never changed whether its been, christian, islam,cathloic or what evr relgion they belief in. They all have there so called battles in the name of there GOD and do such horrible things in his name. Its the place we live in and we cant change it....mj |
18-01-2007, 01:13 PM
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hey, as to God allowing terrible things to happen, yes He does ALLOW it(not cause) yes He could, and sometimes does stop it. also he allowed His son to go through some very awful things for our sin, and He had to turn His back on His son there while He took our place.God is not a teddy bear, not a genie to keep in your pocket til you need Him, He is creator and owner of the universe and all that is in it. He gets to make the rules, He chooses to love us. we will never understand everything til we get to Heaven(hopefully) when we see something awful happen, and we don't try to stop it, does that make us terrible people, or suggest that we weren't real? ok, off my soapbox, don't get mad at me, i want to take as many with me as i can!
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18-01-2007, 07:52 PM
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Thanks Cathy for your words. Much appreciated.
Take Care
Scott
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19-01-2007, 03:12 AM
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I understand that God is the Creator and Owner of the universe. That I get.
What I don't get is ...why make the rule not to kill, maim, and otherwise harm other human beings and then not prevent it's breakage? Why command (through His son) to love thy neighbor and then not prevent abuse, neglect, etc? What is the point? Why make the rules and then not do much of anything when they get broken?
Reminds me of a quote from Constantine: God is a kid with an ant farm. |
19-01-2007, 07:18 AM
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Hi Tabatha how are you.
I'm getting a little confused here could you give me a little explanation of what you said.
Cheers
Scott |
19-01-2007, 08:52 AM
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What I meant by the quote? I was quoting Constantine the graphic novel/movie character, btw.
Whenever I think about the nature of God, I get frustrated. What's the point of making rules for human behavior, claiming those who break them will be punished, and then just standing by and watching them get broken without really intervening?
I understand God gave humans free will and that may have a part in it, but it still confuses me. It's like we're just ants in a giant ant farm. It's like we're just His Little Experiment. There's an underlying cruelty there. |
19-01-2007, 09:09 AM
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Thats true Tabatha.
But I still don't want a man in a pulpit telling me what to do with my life.
I'm not proud of what I've done, but I think that I did it for the right reasons.
And being a soldier was part of that. I suppose when you live in a country that has a monarchy like the UK, Canada and Australia. But also I'd do it all again, I wouldn't change it. There is still the soldier in me trying to get out. Just ask any ex-servicemen. I've never done drugs or broke the law, nor do I intend to start trying now.
Whenever I see my old regiment in the news (There in Basra again) I wish that I was with them. As I see a lot of the guys that I trained are now senior NCO's. That will never change.
Why don't we log onto live chat sometime and we can have a better talk about this subject. Let me know when you are going on and I'll try and be there. I don't have a web-cam but we could still chat.
Cheers
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