If she was poor she shouldn't have a debit card in the first place, if you can't afford to pay back a debit card or credit card why have one in the first place.
I mean if she was poor having a debit card or credit card is just getting yourself into more debt. And anyway, I've seen this girl in Irvine, she drives about in a huge 4x4. So it was just laziness more than anything on this girls behalf. Sorry Veiled. Becs, calm down dear, you're getting yourself into a tizzie again.
Scott

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Who cares whether she was just plain lazy or not? The world doesn’t revolve around us Scott. Who’s to say that the quality of what you set in motion and displayed is any finer of a quality than what you’re assuming is her pure laziness? Hell, if I were her, I know that I would not have allowed myself to express any vulnerability to your comments I would have quickly drawn up every bit of anger below the surface in me, seen that as an opportunity to release some, and return injury for injury with some intuitive, quick thinking humiliating words. Though sometimes shy, I automat. change when someone’s messing with me and have themselves, there own little audience. Sounds to me like her face wasn’t scarlet with embarrassment, it was scarlet from humiliation.

Why in the world are you remembering this anyways? Do you have some complex guilt or a resentment, 6 mo. later. Read the, Diamonds in the Rough thread, pg. 9, there‘s a fine quote called, “It is the weak who are cruel.” And, I won’t deny that I too am weak at times. But, don’t expect some of us here to congratulate you, for humiliating this woman. Or even, to discuss it any further. We all make mistakes, and it’s alright, it’s far easier to own them for what they’re rather than brag about them for what they are not.

…Pumped up and please, know Scott, it’s me in a tizzie with my g-string in a twist, no one else. And, it feels rather good. lol

Bec what you wrote reminds me of something insightful, I read and understood yrs. ago about paradigm shifts. And veiled please won’t you edit this post if I’ve remarked in any inappropriate way. Just a little triggered and t’d off and I’m leaving it here, right now.

Good point hope, this was a great thread topic... to me it sounded like a 'venting' area... which I know we all need
My hands been itching to just delete the last couple of posts... try to get this thread back on topic.
But... I'm not a big fan of "erasing the past" (even if they are posts)
So, even though some members (myself included) have been thrown off and upset by some comments... lets bite our tongues and try to continue what goingonhope started!!

Today:
- Errands that need to be done are hanging over my head... ughhhhh
- My cable box keeps skipping and cutting out the sound during an intense part of a show... LOL I have to guess at what the actors are saying
- Bill collectors keep calling... I'm so tired of explaining myself to them, it's embarressing.

I am overly stressed that anytime I open my journal a 3 year old takes it and runs off to fetch her crayons. It is driving me nuts as when hubs gets home he will either pop a pizza in the oven or cook something simple (haapy he does not bitching about that part). But I feel like I have to pull teethe to get him to take on the baby just to breathe much less reflect and work on my issues. Sure I could take it away she throws a fit but then who can do this with a screaming crying 3 yo? I have so much sitting on my mind. When I type here a single post can take me 1/2 hour as I come and go from it tending to her. I need a baby break.

Veiled, my memory log is now full of color from my four year old showing her creative talents. I totally understand your frustration. It's somehow surreal to see all of my hurts decorated with lively crayola crayons.

I am stressed about my two year old peeing all over the place. She has been potty trained for a good six months if not more, but now she knows that the baby is coming and somehow is regressing.

I am deceiving my family and my midwife by not telling them my plans for the birth. I need only support of my birth choice as of right now and knowing from my past history, my parents are not very good about that: support that is. Somehow, I feel like I'm "gonna get in trouble". I know this is the right choice for me, but I also know that about 95% of the people I know think I'm crazy at best, and irresponsible baby killer as the worst.

Hey Nam, it's your body and your baby - people should honour whatever way you choose to deliver. Not to mention the fact that the baby will pretty much decide for you anyway!

Nam just print the basic stats out. Let them argue with documented proof. I know how you feel I went through all that BS when I had the youngest at home. And Oh lord the regressed potty training, I could go all day about that. Her too since the move. It is a constant fight to stay on top of her to make sure she uses the potty. And forget it if I put a diaper on her to prevent accidents, then it is just "permission" to not use the bathroom! ARGH... I get the annoyance with little accidents all over the house. It is harder this time than the original go!

Stats are pretty high for hospital births that a caesar will occur. Private hospitals often higher than public. Home birth is a completely safe option, and lets be honest here, midwives are the one's who deliver babies more often than not. If a doctor is present, they turnup at the last moment to catch the baby, if they arrive at all. Home birth is completely safe. People just struggle to wrap their mind around it, as I did actually, but being through it, its actually better than the hospital environments by far.

Now... Scott, I have removed the derogatory remark you made; why? Because it was directed towards a member, not a statement in general.

Hi Anthony, very sorry if I insulted Veiled, it won't happen again.
Scott

Thanks guys for the support. I appreciate it. I'm sure the climate here will be more hostile about it. I've got time to mull this over (and over, and over....) The reason for my first C/section was from the hospital itself. I'm almost positive an infection would not have occurred at home. And because of that C-section, I'm labeled as high risk, when in fact it's a high litigation risk for the doctor. Well, hopefully, I won't have to put him through the extra stress...since I won't be a patient.