Members Who Break Privacy Will Be Removed - Page 2

cactus_jack · #11 22-06-2007, 05:37 PM

Anthony, nothing wrong with what you did. I'm glad you took a stand for privacy. NOW it's Marilyn, next time it could be worse. Not something I look forward to.

Thanks buddy!

batgirl · #12 23-06-2007, 05:20 AM

Actually now I have a question about privacy on the forum, if anyone knows the answer... about the Trauma Diaries. I know they are not all private, some are for PTSD only, some for forum members only, etc. But I sort of feel, not sure if I read it somewhere or if it's just an unspoken rule, that what people say in their diaries is not to be mentioned elsewhere on the forum, even their diaries are public? At least, I have always been careful to not mention the contents of someone's diary in other areas. Am I correct to assume this? Also, there are things I will say in my diary that I would never say in other areas of the forum. Am I making any sense? Thanks for any clarification.

veiled · #13 23-06-2007, 05:47 AM

If it is in the private areas and PTSD members only areas then I don't see it being open to discussion in public areas at all. I think the ones open to all members but not general areas unless signed in should not be openly discussed unless the author of the diary brings it up. The ones in Public are just that. But I still think it is common courtesy to not bring it up unless by the author brings it up.

Mine is in a private area now but if I did not discuss some of the same things in mine no one here would have a clue why I am here and I would not be able to relate to others how I over came and do get through certain aspects. I think common sense should kick in at some point. A diary in general terms is considered a personal piece of yourself and thoughts. I am sure Anthony will be better to explain how he feels it should be handled as these are just my opinions. So it would be good for both of us for him to clarify on the public ones since I have to moderate on my judgment and personal opinion.

batgirl · #14 23-06-2007, 07:57 AM

Thanks veiled that's kind of what I thought too, just you explained it better than I would. I generally err on the side of caution even with the public diaries, common courtesy as you say. But yeah I would be interested to see what Anthony says as well.

anthony · #15 23-06-2007, 01:38 PM

Ok, before I post a nice message waynes sent me, which he claimed I could post in public, so he has given his authorization as I see it... I will answer this quickly. Veiled pretty much said it, simply put:

Public area: you can post and refer anything, anyone says to another post or thread, no issues, no limitations within this forum, as the information is public.

PSTD Only / Carers Only: should only be posted or referred within those specific hidden areas, being if you have access to the PTSD only section, then you could quote something from the PTSD private diaries to the PTSD only forum, as those same people all have the same permissions, however; you would not ever take "anothers" content from a PTSD only access area and post it in a public area.

Private Diaries: are exactly that, private, and the content contained within them remains private until such time as the author asks myself to move the thread to another area. Information posted in private can only be quoted elsewhere by the author, and anothers information is never to be breached without their authorisation.

Access: simply the user given permission to any private area, is the only user to access that area. Give a another user access under your name or give out your password, and you will negate your membership here.

Now, the good stuff that waynes just sent me:

Quote:

You pushed alright. Pushed her right into the hospital with your ulicensed treatment. You sir a loose cannon, and are about the most over inflated wind bag Ive seen. I see I managed to piss you off in your little world. Cant take it as construtive critisim like you expect every one else to do?. You seem to be able to dish it out but not take it? Marilyn told you we have no secrets. You see this as a brech of client dr. ethics? What about you not being a doctor? How ethical are your actions? Practising without a license? Is that legal in Aus.? I have most of your crap printed out. Thats pretty good proof of what you have been doing. All of these people you have been "treating need to know that you are not what you seem. You claim to be healed? Snake oil BUllshit. I wonder how many of these good folks have ended up in the same state as my best friend due to your unbridled stupidity. I think it would be best if you desolved this forum before you are responcible for someones death. Or someone takes you to task and sue the shit out of you.
Now you can ban us. If thats not reason enough I can go on. I dont want her on this site anyway.
Got balls enough to put this PM out on the site? I'd bet not!!!!

Done.

So as I was given his permission to post this publicly, here is my reply, and would be the same reply to anyone who tries to negate a breach of privacy:

Quote:

Hi Wayne,

Do I have balls to put your PM on the forum, not an issue, as that to me sounds like authorisation from yourself to post your private message. No problem, will add it to the thread of your privacy breach.

It seems to me that Marilyn seems to have a problem, that problem when she came to me was that she claimed, "nobody is willing to help me" as she so put it. I wonder why? Maybe it has to do with her view of herself? Maybe it has to do with her beliefs? Maybe it has to do with you? Not real sure, but you obviously have little to no idea of what is required to actually help someone with PTSD. Obviously what you and Marilyn believe, must all be wrong, because what your doing is not working, and what I am trying to do is not being accepted, instead your both pushing against what I know works and opting for you own outcome, which you have done the entire time still with no avail. You both just don't get it... your rejecting what people are trying to do in order to help Marilyn, instead you believe you know what is best for her, and she believes she knows what is best for her also... and if this is the case, I'm not sure what either of you where ever doing here, considering this forum is a support group, one where people who want to actually help themselves come in order to try different and unique ways in which are working, have worked, and continue to work on every single person that actually wants to open up and release themselves for once in their life, not bottle themselves up and hide behind themselves or their partner accusing everyone else, blameing everyone else for their lack of self.

If you want to take legal action, please I highly encourage you. I do not pose as a doctor, not therapist, and in actual fact I clearly outline upon this forum in many posts and the disclaimer of legal liability every member accepts by merely being here, that I am not qualified in any way, shape or form, and that people are here to try things that therapists simply do not understand, or more likely, are held back from using because of their qualifications, hence they can be held accountable for their actions, where here, the members make their own actions, not me, not another member towards another member, it is an online community for support, simple as that. People have already tried taking such communities and their owners to court, all without success to date because of the very nature said communities are devised and the way in which the Internet makes information so readily available. Please, I encourage you to waste your money and try, because it won't get you anywhere at all.

Maybe, just maybe, you and Marilyn might wake the hell up to yourself one day and actually listen to those very people who try and help, instead of rejecting their efforts. You cannot, will not get through healing trauma without getting ill, without likely ending up in hospital, without wanting to commit suicide. Do you really even understand what your dealing with when it comes to PTSD? I don't believe you do, you only try, yet have no real idea or concept of what it takes. Maybe you should ask someone here that has been in and out of hospital, wanted to kill themselves and more because of the healing process.... hell, I went through it and mine was from qualified therapists and doctors who simply weren't afraid of being sued because they knew what was best for me at the end of the day, not themselves. America is full of pussies because your Country is so messed up you all want to sue one another for every little thing that doesn't go your way... a pathetic excuse for existence if you ask me. Maybe if you and Marilyn adopted a more proactive stance as many of your fellow country people here have, and healed, or are healing, maybe you and Marilyn might get some type of handle on what your dealing with, standup and face your truths and stop bullshitting me and others with your nonsense and get to work on fixing your own self issues once and for all.

I am a no bullshit person, live with it, or not... I don't ask any person to come here, you come by choice. As I have said to Marilyn before, come back and see me if she wants to really heal, and yet I am still waiting for that to occur, because instead you stand over her path in order to heal. If anything, your stopping her from healing with your actions.... actions you have no idea of the consequences. There is a huge difference protecting someone you love opposed to supporting them through a time of pain that must be endured in order to be delt with once and for all. The going gets tough, and you stand in her way and she allows you. What a great team you are, suited I believe, because you both want to wallow in self pity and misery instead of getting tough and fixing the damn problem.

Goodluck with your futures, and I hope one day you both see where you have gone wrong, and maybe, just maybe, you might step aside and let someone actually help Marilyn, pain included, and not step in the way of progress that must be made for her to get past her pain and suffering.

Anthony.

Damn, I should have also added that the legal liability disclaimer also stated that every other member here, qualified or not, poses in an unofficial manner upon this forum with their advice or experience. Forgot that bit... otherwise we could all be sued for giving our opinions, advice or experience. What a great world that would be. Not many successful cases of that going around, and I have seen enought to date, still with little avail attempting to stop people shareing their opinions, thoughts, experience and advice online. The power of the WWW basically.... if that shit worked, being you just take everyone to court for running any sort of community support group, none would exist, because whinging, whining f*cks would get their way and shut them down.

Hey, what do I know... I've just the silly dick who goes to concerts with 50,000 people, goes shopping in crowded centers, has a life within control, but I have no idea what I'm doing. Do i claim to be healed from PTSD? Well, if healed is to the point where I can live within limits and bounds of reduced stress and participate in the basics of life without dieing or killing myself, then yes, I would be healed.

If healed means cured, then no, I am not healed, because last I looked PTSD was incurable, that means the problem is with us for life, which means if we put ourselves in stress's way, we will get affected more than a person without PTSD, will get symptoms as a result, will get ill.... but if we no longer live in fear of our past and learn how to manage our present, then we can participate in lifes basics and actually live once again, not hide in our houses, ignore people and dismiss life itself.

Interesting theories though waynes... and would love to hear your input.

cactus_jack · #16 23-06-2007, 01:55 PM

People come here voluntarily. If Wayne feels there is anything he can act on, he can always talk to the state.

As for Marilyn, ahe can always ask you for her money back. Say, how much did she pay you? I gave her some input as well. Can't say I recall charging her a dime.

No one is responsible for another person going to the hospital. Well, unless you were right there physically forcing her.

anthony · #17 23-06-2007, 02:35 PM

Not sure what she donated to the forum... she never "paid me" though, and not sure how exactly she would construed making a donation as paid therapy either... which she has eluded to myself previously, ie. her statement to myself, "I have donated to this forum, you owe me your time", where my reply was something along the lines off, "bite me, I don't think so". People donate here to help the overall forum and its direction forward, not for my time. I am not a therapist, hence I do not charge for any opinions or discussion.

veiled · #18 23-06-2007, 03:22 PM

Sorry, just a vent and my opinion. For those that come here please understand your unhealthy choices and living styles will be called out. Part of healing. Most end up here because we have been to doctors long enough and nothing works so we are left desperate. We are ready to die. I have been called to the mat. But no one seems to remember that as not as many stick around long enough to tolerate it, I have seen very few. He also held me up at first when he knew I could not walk. I have been to the hospital so often I lost my entire retirement in treatment and am dead broke. I had my gun safe removed because I was so close to ending it all. But I made it through and after all I had been through to fight to live I was not going to let getting better kill me either.

Anthony has walked the same walk as all of us. Hmmm. Anthony is not there as much as before for me (forum has grown) but I sure as hell listened to what he said the first round. Only difference I see is someone took my training wheels off now. I am not an idiot and know how to read advice given to others and myself in the past. I have also learned to customize it for me.

You must realize as a community we will hold your hand so far to help keep you up. But at some point we will let go and you will have to try to walk this walk too. Have to do searches and know we are not at anyone's beck and call. You will fall and get hurt but you will know how to get up. You just have to choose to try. We all trip and we all fall and we all come close to death and add to it relapse. If we had not we would not be here to begin with. Isn't healing worth facing that again?

I agree healing is pushing certain areas beyond comfort to almost breaking and want to die. You learn what does break you soon enough and you learn what you can push through. Maybe in a few years my breaking points will be areas I can push but I am healing as I am no where near the woman I was at my arrival. I am a new self. I have learned to care for myself, and have empathy. Am I 10 foot tall and bullet proof looking for a fight? No. But I found a piece of my soul and have learned to manage a lot of my symptoms. I pick up a tid bit here and there in therapy but not often, it is normally someone paid to hear me bitch in person once a week. Some things here will blow up in your face and others can make you sail. Trial and error.

Wake up and smell the coffee, healing sucks. Accomplishing it you see a marathon you have been running and look over your shoulder to see how far you came. It is not instant and it hurts. But stick to it and you can find peace fall on you a lot of the times. Find many nights of sleep with no nightmares. Leave a window open with no fear. Jump for joy you went 24 hours with no panic attack to being amazed you can go a couple weeks! Now who in the hell can say this fresh starting here that is bad? You just have to listen to those who have been here. Not a single person will say this is not painful. Many will tell you matter of fact it is quite the opposite.

And it is clear everyone here tells what helps them and how to help them self. And no BS made we are sufferers not therapists of any kind, just kindreds.

Off the soap box.

Monarch · #19 23-06-2007, 03:35 PM

OK, not all of America is full of pussies, lets not over generalize now. I would say is it full of pussies and dicks. LOL

Midnite · #20 23-06-2007, 04:06 PM

The healing itself solely depends on our self. Nobody can make us heal if we are not willing to it or have the sincere heart to it, be it which ever method one is using. Without proper understanding what one is doing and the whole process involved will not get one anywhere. Others can only share, guide, support and help so much, still we our self have to make the decision, to response or to ignore or to take action. Only we our self can decide whether willing to change for better or remain as one prefers or find another better way.

Nobody can force us to do anything beyond our own comfort or limit, be it here or elsewhere. I strongly believed every final decision and action is our own accord. Others can say so much but we still have the choice whether to listen, to agree, to ignore or to response to them. We do have a choice.