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03-01-2008, 07:31 AM
|  | | | Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Australia
Posts: 128
| | Oh my JAZ. I am so very to hear about all your very difficult times. Your story is very very familiar to me. I have a great deal of compassion for you and I completely understand your devotion to your husband. I myself have questioned many times if mine deserves to have me feel forgiveness for all he has done, but it is involuntary I suppose. And we don't even have children.
As the others have advised, most definitely get counselling. Both of you and possibly together. But that will probably be down the track. Your husband needs therapy as soon as possible, but just be sure that the medical health professionals you deals with know what they are doing. It can be even more damaging for PTSD sufferers to get the wrong sort of attention than none at all.
A few tips with this though, he is unlikely to go to therapy if he feels pushed. So be careful there. Ans also remember that a PTSD sufferer in a bad way such as your husband seems to be can only process a little at a time. It is positive that you are speaking with him everyday, but be sure to keep it a positive experience where possible. And use what my psychologist calls "sound bites". A few words in short sentences. To the point. Leaving some space between, to allow him to both process what you have said and also give him the opportunity to speak if he wants to. Many PTSD sufferers will express their frustration with people who think they can't think for themsleves and make their own decisions. They can and do, but when they are ill, it is much more difficult and they will resist agreeing with anyone who tries to "control" them. (At least that's how I understand it)
I am not saying that you are trying to control your husband, but it is probably how he sees it. And in my case, my husband left to get away from me doing it, even though I was just trying to stop him "messing up" (frivilous spending, lying, treating friends like crap, wreckless and dangerous behaviour, etc) and get his life back on track. He took it as me suggesting he was incapable of m,aking decisions and living his own life (even though in some ways he was), so he was like, "Ha! I'll show you! I'm gonna go live my life how I want to and do what I want." Which is exactly what he is doing right now. And his "messing up" has only got worse.
Be grateful your husband is with a family member, someone who obviously cares. My husband is alone, well, at least most of the time I think... really don't know now. This has at times made me worry a great deal about suicidal thoughts. He is that low it is very possible, although nothing confirmed on that front.
You can't stop this from repeating, but don't forget, you can't ensure any marriage won't fall apart for whatever reason, PTSD or not. This type is just a hell of a lot more work. But it sounds to me like if he does return (and you probably can't do much to convince him either way really), you seem loving, compassionate and understanding enough to give this PTSD carer thing a really good shot.
The best "insurance" you can get is as much healing as possible for your husband, thru therapy and to keep yourself as emotionally and mentally strong to be best suited to cope with whatever happens. And be sure to take good care of you daughter too. Also, as Kathy said, arm yourself with as much info on PTSD as possible. It makes it easier to understand his actions and helps you know the best way to respond and act otherwise.
I wish you the best of luck and send you strength. You are in my prayers. Please keep us informed.  | 
05-01-2008, 07:01 AM
| | | | Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 7
| | Thank you Kathy and Bella I really appreciate the words.
Our anniversary was New Year's Day and he called and wished me a happy anniversary at midnight which was encouraging. Without going thru the particulars of every conversation we've had this week, he's basically not knowing what he wants to do. The only reason he really considered divorce was because in his mind all the problems that we've had seem overwhelming and unfixable. He wont talk to me about how he's feeling but he's talked to several friends. And I dont wanna push. I'm trying to put our issues to the side and just rebuild the relationship itself but its frustrating because I dont want him to take my kindness for weakness.
He's stayed at the house for the past two days and I know he's going out for the weekend and wants to take the baby. This morning he was expressing that he wasnt even really supposed to be at the house. He's told others before he's wanted a divorce but its always been like he was tryin to convince himself; whereas now he's not really leaning towards that but he's just wanting to live life one day at a time, which is fine...but then he wants to be intimate and he wants to play around with me and joke with me like everything is cool but he cant say he loves me like he used to...its frustrating. I dont wanna be used. I dont want him to build up my hopes and then dash them again.
I stressed to him the importance of counseling and he says he's getting it. He's also open to marital counseling at a later date. Meanwhile I've really been good at giving him his space and letting him make the major moves...but I look at him and my emotions sometimes take over. I have a journal that I write in and most of the time I can relieve my feelings in there but sometimes something will spill out. Its just really hard.
I know so many people have said that I need to concentrate on taking care of myself, but so much of my life has been wrapped up around my husband and baby. I already blame myself profusely for my son's death and, come to find out, my husband blames me too (heard this from 3rd party but he never denied it when I brought it up). My happiness has always been interdependent of their happiness. Everything I've done has been for them. And I have found that I have truly lost my sense of self, and that without them I'm really empty.
His heart seems to be pulling him back home but his head keeps trying to get him back to his former state. Like, one minute he's talkin about the future and the next he's unsure. Even last night when he was talkin about going back to his brother's it was more like he just wanted to get his clothes...but he stayed anyway. He told me before he'd be going to see his psychiatrist hopefully after the new year, so i hope that will be soon.
There are other things (i.e. he is convinced I cheated on him when I didnt) but I really dont know how (or if) to deal with them because he's not talkin to me about it and I dont wanna push. For now, I know he still wants us to work and he would never want to be with anyone but me, eventhough he's a prolific flirt and has many female friends he talks to on a daily basis. Right now I'm praying for confidence and strength for myself and my family and I'm trying to do what I can to keep my emotions in check. At the very least, he seems to want to change, but I'm not sure he knows how...I'm just hoping we can get thru this time and I'm learning to respect his wishes of "one day at a time" and trying to just live in the moment. I'm also keeping God on speed dial. Prayer definitely works.
Thanks again. | 
05-01-2008, 07:35 AM
|  | | | Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newfoundland & Labrador
Posts: 1,830
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Originally Posted by JAZ I already blame myself profusely for my son's death and, come to find out, my husband blames me too (heard this from 3rd party but he never denied it when I brought it up). | I certainly understand this JAZ as my husband and I have taken turns blaming ourselves and each other for our son's death as well. Perhaps because it is easier to place the blame somewhere rather than admit there are no easy answers as to why the death occurred, why our son and not someone else's, and so on. Likewise with your baby, it is absolutely no one's fault. Your baby did not die due to neglect. However it is very difficult to get to the point where you do not blame yourself. My heart goes out to you, there are no easy answers. Time and therapy will definitely help somewhat but as a mother it is extremely difficult. We are supposed to protect our children always, regardless of age. They are not supposed to die before us and if they do it is quite natural to blame ourselves. Quote: |
Originally Posted by JAZ I have found that I have truly lost my sense of self, and that without them I'm really empty. | If you have lost your sense of self JAZ, then this is a good time to find it again, whilst separated from your husband. Your baby is a different story; you are a mother and will always be a mother, and a large portion of your life will always revolve around your child. However, you should have a life separate from your spouse, especially whilst having problems. It is very important to do so and that is why you are hearing it from so many people.
As far as getting back together, perhaps you may ponder what would be a reasonable amount of time in your mind? How long you would be willing to wait? 3 months? 6 months? A year or longer? Only you can decide what the length of time would be. Once you decide, you could perhaps tell him, this is as long as I will tolerate a seperation. He then knows your boundaries and limits. Or, the two of you could decide on a "deadline" together. Bottom line, you are not required to wait indefinitely for him. Merely a suggestion, however it may give you some peace to know you have a plan of action and are not simply in limbo.
Take good care and keep us updated. | 
05-01-2008, 07:46 AM
| | | | Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 7
| | Thanks so much Kathy for that indepth and quick response.
Realistically I know my son's death was not my fault. But in my heart, as his mother, I will always feel responsible. Three weeks before he died I'd dreamt he had died. And my husband and I were so paranoid he had asked me not to take him to New York for Thanksgiving and I did...thats why he blames me. And I have always been upset at myself for not trusting my instincts. Thats part of the reason I developed PTSD as quickly and as severely as I have. I was always so anxious about my daughter. I wouldnt sleep. He died while in my mother's care and she's getting therapy for that...I've always felt like he should've been with me. But maybe it would've been harder for me...as if thats possible.
I know this is a time I should take to find myself, but I really dont know where to begin. I pretty much conformed my life to their needs so its hard to address mine because I cant even recognize mine. Where do you suggest I start? Or maybe I can find that in therapy?
Honestly, at this point, I cant say that I have a time period that I'd be willing to put on it this time. In fact, Ive really contemplated giving him as much time as he needs and, when he returns, expressing to him that I will not tolerate it happening AGAIN because next time will be permanent. I dont know if thats too forceful, but right now thats how I feel. I'd rather him stay out as long as he needs if it means him really working on this and finding himself...but I dont feel running away is the answer, even if it is a coping mechanism. I havent been able to run but he always has, and I dont think thats fair. I know he's sick...and I'm sorry If I sound insensitive, but at some point you have to deal with the problem. Running away constantly is not gonna make it go away.
As far as working on creating a deadline together, as of now he isnt even really up to a real conversation about the issues at hand...thats another reason I'm kind of willing to give him all that time. I dont know if he'll ever talk about it. He may come back and not wanna talk about it. And I've done research on marital problems and not talking about problems seems to be a big way to help deal with the relationship vs. just the problems. But at some point, he's gonna have to talk about it with someone, because I dont know if I can go thru this again, you know?
At least, so far, the signs I've gotten have been positive. I'm trying to continue to have faith that God is providing and that we'll get thru this; so please keep us in your prayers. And thank you for the encouragement; its a true blessing. | 
05-01-2008, 08:09 AM
|  | | | Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newfoundland & Labrador
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Originally Posted by JAZ Realistically I know my son's death was not my fault. But in my heart, as his mother, I will always feel responsible. Three weeks before he died I'd dreamt he had died. And my husband and I were so paranoid he had asked me not to take him to New York for Thanksgiving and I did...thats why he blames me. And I have always been upset at myself for not trusting my instincts. | Yes. Unfortunately I do understand what you are saying. I believe I will always feel somewhat responsible for my son's death as well. However that does not change the fact that you and I are both incorrect in our thinking! Additionally, logically I don't see that taking your child to New York had any bearing on his death? He died of SIDS, correct? He could have died regardless of where he was. In any event it is a very tragic and unfortunate situation, and you are both so young as well! Most difficult to deal with, my heart goes out to you both. Quote: |
Originally Posted by JAZ Thats part of the reason I developed PTSD as quickly and as severely as I have. | You have PTSD as well JAZ? I was not aware of that. I could have overlooked that in my reading, I apologize if that is the case. Quote: |
Originally Posted by JAZ I know this is a time I should take to find myself, but I really dont know where to begin. I pretty much conformed my life to their needs so its hard to address mine because I cant even recognize mine. Where do you suggest I start? Or maybe I can find that in therapy? | You are in therapy currently, correct? Your therapist might have some good ideas for you, yes. Off hand I would say simply begin doing something you enjoy on a regular basis. Perhaps take a class, join a gym, go out with friends once a week. Something you enjoy doing that is just for you. It can be anything and does not need to be expensive nor take up a huge amount of time. Myself, I simply get up an hour earlier than everyone else in my house and have that hour daily to do whatever I wish. In my busy household, I treasure that hour, believe me. Quote: |
Originally Posted by JAZ Honestly, at this point, I cant say that I have a time period that I'd be willing to put on it this time. In fact, Ive really contemplated giving him as much time as he needs and, when he returns, expressing to him that I will not tolerate it happening AGAIN because next time will be permanent. I dont know if thats too forceful, but right now thats how I feel. | If that is how you feel currently JAZ, then that is the right thing to do. The time period was merely a suggestion. If you are comfortable with what you are currently doing then you already have a plan of action in my opinion. Well done. Quote: |
Originally Posted by JAZ I know he's sick...and I'm sorry If I sound insensitive, but at some point you have to deal with the problem. Running away constantly is not gonna make it go away. | No, that is not insensitive at all. That is your boundary. As an adult, he has an obligation to work upon himself, to heal himself and so on. He will do so in his own time obviously however you are under no obligation to wait for him indefinitely. You may encourage him to seek help however if he does not help himself it is not your fault nor your problem. It is his choice entirely. Quote: |
Originally Posted by JAZ But at some point, he's gonna have to talk about it with someone, because I dont know if I can go thru this again, you know? | Well, he eventually will have to talk about things. Talking over problems is very important for healing, as individuals and in any kind of relationship. He is obviously not ready at this point however I do hope that changes for you in future. I am glad matters seem positive so far and that you have your faith to comfort you. My faith is also important to me. Do please keep us informed how things are going. | 
05-01-2008, 12:24 PM
| | | | Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 7
| | Thanks Kathy.
Sorry I meant Post Partum, not PTSD..I sometimes type so quickly my thoughts dont catch up with my fingers lol.
I'm trying to get my counseling together now; right now we've been miscommunicating so I'm gonna try to call her Monday..it's just been so stressful because I've been trying to find another job.
I'm really trying to give him his space. He's basically on a "whatever happens, happens" kind of mindset, but he's not really leaning in a negative direction anymore. It's the slow, tedious road to reconciliation but there's no titles or pressure. I'm trying not to analyze anything or think so much and just let it happen; in the meantime I'll just wait and see what happens.
I want him to get better, obviously, and thats why part of me doesnt want to put any constraints on him; but I've already been thru this. My father is also a sufferer of PTSD and he just got diagnosed a year or so ago. But he dealt with it for years. When my mother left, I had to deal with his anxieties and his issues, and I dont want that happening to our daughter. I dealt with a lot of verbal and psychological abuse and my dad loved me to death. I know he didnt mean it but that didnt stop it from being inflicted. I expressed this to Tee and he agreed and said that was part of the reason he left.
There have been other things that have popped up as far as his behavior is concerned that have bothered me but right now I dont wanna go into it as I may just be speculating. But I just hope that he can somehow work thru this and get the help he needs and I'll support him on it. And if, God forbid, we dont work this out, I'm still gonna continue to urge he get help for the sake of our daughter. I dont want her to go thru what I went thru.
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