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Old 24-01-2008, 06:52 PM
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Oh Yes Waif, as veiled said also. Thank you veiled for covering that. We must learn, and through this we must educate not only ourselves but others. Though what the facts are saying and what you are saying, are not quite the same though IMHO.... I think we need to stick with the facts, being a cure may be in sight within the future, though presently one does not exist. I do love reading though, and certainly do plenty off it myself... I do hope a cure is found, that much I do strive for hope.
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Old 25-01-2008, 12:07 AM
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Thank you all
I now live in hope that one day there will be a cure. I hope these theories become a reality and fast. I'm going to do a lot more exercise. i dont do any apart from at work where i just walk around although i do walk a long distance there. Think im going to join a self defense class and go to the gym.

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Old 25-01-2008, 04:35 AM
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I am in a unique position. I wrote a story, which Anthony has been kind enough to allow to be posted on this forum. It is titled "I Believe PTSD is Curable". I described what I was like, what I did, and what I am like after, as honestly and accurately as I know how to do.
I am not only a former patient, but I am also a health care professional. However, I tried to stay within the boundaries of that of a patient.
There have been two threads on this forum that were relevant to this topic.
One was:
"What Criteria Would Have to be Met for PTSD to be Considered Curable?"
another was
"Left Brain Struggles To Put Right Brain Emotion Into Words"
It has been some time since anyone has responded on either thread, so I will go ahead and bump them up to today.
It is my belief that PTSD is curable. I know what I was like, how sick I was, and how my life today is so much different.
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Old 26-01-2008, 03:32 AM
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There is an unfortunate truth, the Doctors, therapists who do the work and cure patients do not have time to write up their research. I doubt there will ever be a magic cure to PTSD, but a process of intertwined techniques are working. Diet, stopping caffeine, CBT therapy such as what is found in the feeing good handbook, a very painful exposure therapy, exposing yourself to both your triggers and your traumas, adding in benifets such as group therapy, possibly psychodrama,, as well as adding in Eastern Philosophy of mindfullness. Also using medication to help control the symptoms until you have properly done the exposure work. every doctor I have encountered since I started my treatment, have all said this is how you cure PtSD

If you were to enter a private forum for sufferers of sexual abuse, rape, you would find a lot of people suffering from PTSD, however look on the bookshelves, talk to the survivors, they have overcome this, and on a forum if you said that they wouldn't be cured, there would be a huge out roar against you.

In North America we are looking for the quick fix, the magic pill. We look at studies such as emdr therapy, but unfortunately no one is doing studies on a combined look at all the treatments being used together. Will one treatment ever come about that cures PTSD I don't know.

And I am sorry Anthony, but if I do not believe this i will not be cured. We can only rise as high as our greatest expectations.

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Old 26-01-2008, 05:36 AM
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I think you are right about how we are looking for the quick fix. I'm sure there are exceptions, but that's how it appears to me as well.
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Old 26-01-2008, 12:51 PM
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Waif please keep up your insight. I love reading what you write up! The combo you wrote up is a lot of what I have done for a while now. OK, I am not "better" but a damn lot closer than a few years ago doing those things. No quick fix here. I have had to a major lifestyle change on so many levels to get here.I hope to keep progressing.

I have yet to answer a poll on this since I got here. I still am on the fence.
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Old 26-01-2008, 04:02 PM
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There is an unfortunate truth, the Doctors, therapists who do the work and cure patients do not have time to write up their research.
I disagree with this Waif, in that many actually do write and publish their findings. You only need subscribe to the medical journals of mental health to see these very findings. The problem is with these, is that whilst some physicians do good work, many do not. This however is not a cure from their work, it is as you state below, more a method to teach a person how to heal, how to manage, however; it has certainly not cured their PTSD as an illness itself. If you at any stage expose them to stressors, remove some aspects from their life that help them relax or are their safe zone, they will quickly crash and symptoms exposed once again. Yes, the idea though is that the cycle become less each time, and it does if a person really wants it bad enough. I am walking proof of all this, as are others here, however; if you removed certain aspects in my life that ensure I manage my lifestyle, manage my exposure to daily stressors and so forth, I also end up ill again. If not, I can go for months, years without major issue compared to a person without PTSD, you would not know the difference. Change my lifestyle though, change my stressor exposure, a person without PTSD just goes through it, I would go through it also, but I would come out ill as a result compared to the person without PTSD.

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I doubt there will ever be a magic cure to PTSD
I wouldn't agree with this either. Whilst there is factually no cure at present, and I will not allow any person to be dishonest here and state there is a "cure" as such, by definition a cure means: the successful treatment of a disease or illness to the preformed state. That means, like it never existed. Unfortunately that is not so with PTSD, because you can never be as before due to the requirements of lifetime management. However, with the work they are doing as you outlined, relating to the growing of human cells, they are even looking at growing human body parts so that if you got heart disease, they would simply grow you another heart from your tissue, one free of defect, then transplant your heart with one of an exact DNA match, which means 99.9% less chance of your body rejecting it. Science is moving at quite a pace, I do not deny that, as it is fact. Saying that though, and saying whilst they are finding some very interesting aspects to possibly fix (cure) a lot of mental healthy problems in the future, presently no fix (cure) exists. So I sit equally on the fence, but I do not ever tell anyone that I am cured, because I am not and simply what has occurred recently with my ex-wife being rather nasty to make my life shit, it affected me and made me ill. Yes, I bounced back quite quiickly due to all my CBT, education, learning techniques, healing past trauma, etc etc... but PTSD is still very much a physiological part of my brain which nothing I currently do, nor any medication on the market do, will reverse the damage and fix (cure) the changes that have taken place which force my body to have these symptomatic reactions.
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but a process of intertwined techniques are working. Diet, stopping caffeine, CBT therapy such as what is found in the feeing good handbook, a very painful exposure therapy, exposing yourself to both your triggers and your traumas, adding in benefits such as group therapy, possibly psychodrama, as well as adding in Eastern Philosophy of mindfulness. Also using medication to help control the symptoms until you have properly done the exposure work.
This is accurate Waif, factual.... totally concur with this statement, well said.
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every doctor I have encountered since I started my treatment, have all said this is how you cure PtSD
Every doctor you encountered was wrong then, if that is what they have stated to you, because the facts are; no cure currently exists for PTSD. The only thing that exists is known methods to reduce the symptoms, control them, medicate them, but nothing to actually reverse the brain damage that PTSD causes which makes it the incurable mental illness it is. I would rather people know the truth, to learn to be honest with themselves, than to live in the clouds of disbelief that a cure for this exists, which factually does not.

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If you were to enter a private forum for sufferers of sexual abuse, rape, you would find a lot of people suffering from PTSD, however look on the bookshelves, talk to the survivors, they have overcome this, and on a forum if you said that they wouldn't be cured, there would be a huge out roar against you.
That may be what other forums do... they may feed one another bullshit, fictional statements, but this forum does not. This forum deals in facts only, and it will remain that way.

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In North America we are looking for the quick fix, the magic pill. We look at studies such as emdr therapy, but unfortunately no one is doing studies on a combined look at all the treatments being used together. Will one treatment ever come about that cures PTSD I don't know.
I hope it does come along Waif, but until then we must deal with only the facts as they are presented... Society in general want a quick fix for things Waif... but society is also realizing the errors of their ignorant ways now. The greenhouse issue is one such realization of that ignorance, as to many thousands, millions off other ignorance's that society is now realizing.

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And I am sorry Anthony, but if I do not believe this i will not be cured. We can only rise as high as our greatest expectations.

Belief is the foundation of change
Waif, I would never tell you not to believe what you wanted, however; I will tell you to not attempt to spread fiction here, because that is what a cure is, fictional at present. I don't care what other forums do, I care what this forum does only. I don't have physicians coming to this forum from around the world for the fun off it.... they come here to read, to learn, because they are finding truths that many forums just never discuss, facts, not fiction. Your beliefs are your beliefs Waif, and that I respect, however; as a result you must respect my way in which I run this forum, and that is; opinions are always welcome, facts welcome, venting welcome, fiction not welcome. We can discuss it, but at no time is it ever given as advice that a person can be cured from PTSD until factually that is proven.

I do not lie, and I will not have people telling lies upon the forum that I willingly know are such and have the power to cease. I want people to be honest, and to achieve that they must be factual, they must be realistic with what their dealing with, not thinking this forum can cure them, that their therapy can cure them, but instead know factually that they can participate in life if they heal their trauma, heal their pain, expose themselves to their fears and beyond, learn techniques to manage their daily stress, control their lifestyle, ensure they have a home of safety and security, that they maintain a good diet with exercise to manage the depression aspects, etc etc.

The facts though, once all this is done PTSD has not gone away, it is still very present within their brain. What you can do is heal trauma, you can do that. You cannot fix it, but you can heal it. You cannot cure it, because the memories never actually go away, you still have them, you just teach a person how to no longer fear them so they are caused pain from those memories.

Deal in facts Waif... I have no problems. Deal in fiction, and I will have issues with that, guaranteed. I would expect people in general to have issues with fiction.... because beyond reading it for a good story to relax and unwind, it serves no purpose otherwise in PTSD recovery techniques.
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Old 26-01-2008, 04:10 PM
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And I will add... LRS and I have discussed quite indepth what occurred surrounding LRS, though it was more to do with learning ambidexterity than playing a musical instrument. Music is factually proven to be a therapeudic form of stress relief, so it may be an aspect in what LRS says "cured" LRS, however; this is one person, not many, no studies... does it work on everyone? Was it the learning to play a musical instrument both hands equal or the chemical reaction that takes place with being ambidextrous? These are questions that are unknown, though discussed here in threads LRS bumped up already. I would hope physicians studied this, and I believe someone did pick it up for a study, or possible study to evaluate the effects. Problem once again, its a study that will take years to complete, then they must look at the results. Shit, even it such a thing actually did provide a cure for 50%, where 50% of the sufferers actually did have a chemical reversal, that would be good enough to try it. If it worked for LRS only, but not another, then its not a cure, it is pure luck or a combination of other factors surrounding LRS's life, lifestyle, symptoms, trauma, etc etc....

I personally believe that we have more hope in the scientists ability to regrow certain brain portions to reverse damaged parts. I believe one method is in trial already with a chemical they found to do this, and they are administering it by medication for the trial, though could be directly injected if required for near instant results. Again though, something they found on rats but has yet to be proven on humans. We won't know for a minimum of a decade, even more.... but I think it will happen....
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Old 26-01-2008, 04:25 PM
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There is also an existing poll on this very question, as veiled eluded she had not seen one, here is the link: Can PTSD Be Cured?
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Old 26-01-2008, 04:38 PM
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Oh so right there is that poll here. I know that, what I mean is I have not voted on it as I am still on the fence. I believe the post here has been there longer than I. I just to this day cannot answer it in good faith or because I try to hold on to some.
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